{"id":1947,"date":"2017-08-11T15:49:07","date_gmt":"2017-08-11T21:49:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/?p=1947"},"modified":"2023-07-31T14:32:30","modified_gmt":"2023-07-31T20:32:30","slug":"four-spring-residential-torsion-systems","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/2017\/08\/11\/four-spring-residential-torsion-systems\/","title":{"rendered":"Four Spring Residential Torsion Systems"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Many years ago we first posted our <a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/springs\/standard-torsion-springs.php\">residential torsion spring database program<\/a>. We discovered then that customers were ordering <a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/springs\/torsion-spring-faqs.php#long-life\">longer life springs<\/a> that were so heavy that the shaft would bend from the extra weight.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Because of this, we began recommending that customers add <a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/parts\/part\/SAB-338KFI.html\">idler support brackets<\/a>&nbsp;if either of their springs weighs over 20 pounds.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/idler-bracket.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"260\" height=\"124\" src=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/idler-bracket.jpg\" alt=\"A view of a torsion spring with idler support brackets.\" class=\"wp-image-1952\"\/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>And, as could be expected, longer life spring orders weighing 30 pounds or more require different solutions. It is common to install two <a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/parts\/shafts_couplers.html\">solid shafts with a cast iron connecting coupler<\/a> in addition to the idler brackets. With the additional shipping, this solution costs an additional $300-400.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-why-install-a-four-spring-system\">Why Install a Four Spring System?<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>A less expensive option is to <a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/2016\/05\/28\/converting-from-two-to-four-torsion-springs\/\">convert a two spring system to a four spring system<\/a> using smaller springs. This option costs less than $50.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-Spring-torsion-system.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"31\" src=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-Spring-torsion-system-300x31.jpg\" alt=\"An image of a four spring torsion system using smaller springs.\" class=\"wp-image-1951\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-Spring-torsion-system-300x31.jpg 300w, https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-Spring-torsion-system-768x80.jpg 768w, https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-Spring-torsion-system.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Many of the garage doors now have lighter shafts. Therefore, we recommend converting to a four spring system on a 16&#8242; or wider door if each spring weighs over 25 pounds. Rather than order and install idler support brackets. We recommend that customers install spring anchor brackets, such as our more popular <a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/parts\/part\/SAB-450K.html\">SAB-450K<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/parts\/part\/SAB-450K.html\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"179\" src=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/SAB-450K-300x179.jpg\" alt=\"A Residential Garage Door Slotted Anchor Bracket with bolts and nuts.\" class=\"wp-image-2011\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/SAB-450K-300x179.jpg 300w, https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/SAB-450K.jpg 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Here is an actual photo of a four spring torsion system that Charlie sent us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-torsion-spring-system1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"42\" src=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-torsion-spring-system1-300x42.jpg\" alt=\"An image of a four spring torsion system provided by a customer.\" class=\"wp-image-2003\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-torsion-spring-system1-300x42.jpg 300w, https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-torsion-spring-system1-768x108.jpg 768w, https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-torsion-spring-system1.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Notice that the two center springs are mounted as before.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/standard-2-spring-torsion-system.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"148\" src=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/standard-2-spring-torsion-system-300x148.jpg\" alt=\"A standard two spring torsion system.\" class=\"wp-image-2004\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/standard-2-spring-torsion-system-300x148.jpg 300w, https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/standard-2-spring-torsion-system-768x378.jpg 768w, https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/standard-2-spring-torsion-system.jpg 799w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The two outer springs mount to what would have been idler brackets. To support the spring anchor brackets on each side, Charlie added 2 X 6 lumber and painted it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-spring-torsion-system-left-bracket.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"147\" src=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-spring-torsion-system-left-bracket-300x147.jpg\" alt=\"An image of the left bracket on a four spring torsion system.\" class=\"wp-image-2005\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-spring-torsion-system-left-bracket-300x147.jpg 300w, https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-spring-torsion-system-left-bracket-768x376.jpg 768w, https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-spring-torsion-system-left-bracket.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The difference with these brackets is that they include the extra bolts and nuts for attaching the stationary cones to the brackets. Both springs to the left of the center support bracket above are <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/nmIXHrWoDIQ\">right wind<\/a>; the winding cone is marked with red paint.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The two springs to the right shown below are left wind; the winding cones are marked with black paint.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-spring-torsion-system-right-bracket.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-spring-torsion-system-right-bracket-300x150.jpg\" alt=\"The right bracket on a torsion system.\" class=\"wp-image-2006\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-spring-torsion-system-right-bracket-300x150.jpg 300w, https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-spring-torsion-system-right-bracket-768x384.jpg 768w, https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/4-spring-torsion-system-right-bracket.jpg 796w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Beyond the outer winding cone on each side is the cable drum. Here is the cable drum at the left end of the torsion shaft. To the right of the drum is the right wind torsion spring.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/cable-drum-left-side.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" src=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/cable-drum-left-side-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"An image of the left side of a cable drum.\" class=\"wp-image-2007\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/cable-drum-left-side-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/cable-drum-left-side-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/cable-drum-left-side.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-another-reason-to-install-a-four-spring-system\">Another Reason to Install a Four Spring System<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>A second reason for installing four springs is if it needs an additional lift as a result of the door not having the correct springs. The cause is because of adding weight to the door. It may also be due to an earlier technician installing the wrong springs. Or, the homeowner measuring and ordering the incorrect springs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One problem with converting to four springs can be limited shaft space. When calculating the space needed for the springs, first measure the distance between the drums. The wound springs, cones, and brackets need to fit inside this space.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-determining-wound-torsion-spring-length\">Determining Wound Torsion Spring Length<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>Next, determine the wound length of each spring. On 1 3\/4&#8243; and 2&#8243; springs, the cones for each spring require 2.25.&#8221; Add to this the width of the coils you add when winding the spring. On standard seven-foot-high doors figure eight coils and multiply this by the wire size. For example, 8 coils X .2253 = 1.8.&#8221; Hence, 2.25&#8243; for the cones + 41.75&#8243; for the length of the spring + 1.8&#8243; of turns = 45.8.&#8221; Add to this the gaps between the coils on the cones, which is sometimes as much as 1\/2.&#8221; Figure an additional 1\/8&#8243; for the thickness of the bracket.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This <a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/springs\/wound-torsion-spring-lengths.xlsx\">Wound Torsion Spring Lengths Spreadsheet<\/a> may come in handy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If there is not enough space on the shaft, you can always increase the inside diameter of your springs. Therefore, if you have 1 3\/4&#8243; ID springs, you can easily convert to 2&#8243; because all the bolt holes are the same. If you have 2&#8243; ID springs, you can convert to 2 5\/8&#8243; ID and use the same brackets if the bolt holes are slotted. This <a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/springs\/spring-inside-diameter-converter.php\">torsion spring inside diameter converter<\/a> should help.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On Charlie&#8217;s door above, we tried to match the longer cycle life with the existing 1 3\/4&#8243; ID springs attached to the center support bracket. However, there wasn&#8217;t enough space on the shaft. So we converted the inside diameter of the outer springs to two inches. If you look closely, you can see that the coil diameter of the outer spring is bigger than the coil diameter of the inner spring.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/left-springs.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"74\" src=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/left-springs-300x74.jpg\" alt=\"A view of a customer's garage door.\" class=\"wp-image-2008\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/left-springs-300x74.jpg 300w, https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/left-springs-768x188.jpg 768w, https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/uploads\/2017\/08\/left-springs.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>It is now possible to increase the spring cycle life without changing the length, wire size, or inside diameter of the springs. <a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/2023\/07\/28\/new-long-lasting-torsion-springs\/\">Our special new long-lasting torsion springs<\/a> can last 50% longer than an identical standard torsion spring.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We also offer <a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/2018\/12\/07\/extension-spring-tandem-yokes\/\">four-spring tandem yoke assemblies<\/a>, as well as <a href=\"https:\/\/ddmgaragedoors.com\/blog\/2017\/09\/08\/long-life-extension-springs\/\">long-life extension springs<\/a>, for if your door uses an extension spring system.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Many years ago we first posted our residential torsion spring database program. We discovered then that customers were ordering longer life springs that were so heavy that the shaft would bend from the extra weight. Because of this, we began recommending that customers add idler support brackets&nbsp;if either of their springs weighs over 20 pounds. 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